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Reddog
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posted April 22, 2008 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reddog     Edit/Delete Message
The upcoming bond issue looks like it will ignore Precinct Three. A loop around San Marcos, the extension of Brodie into Hays County will be there; but not RR 12.

RR 12 is an interesting transportation problem for Hays County. The Blanco River bridge is a huge limiting factor; and downtown Wimberley presents an impossability in widening. But RR 12 is the link between Wimberley and both San Marcos and Dripping Springs. And to give it the benifit of the doubt, it's a horrid road.

Almost certainly RR 12 north of Dripping Springs will be widened to facilitate traffic into west Austin, just as Brodie is being brought into Buda. FM 32 should be widened to become an east/west arterial hooking up with Hwy 281; a much better choice than Fischer Store Rd.

So, what do y'all think?

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XIIthMan
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posted April 22, 2008 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for XIIthMan     Edit/Delete Message
Commissioner Conley/Rep. Rose/Sen. Wentworth,

We've already been over this and rejected it. That's what we think.

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Miss Chris
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posted April 22, 2008 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Miss Chris     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think RR12 is bad at all. I drive it everyday to San Marcos and it's perfectly fine as is. The only thing we might need is a traffic light at the Junction. 32 isn't that bad either. This is just another excuse to promote unrestricted development which the fragile environment can't take any more of. I don't want Wimberley to become another Dripping Springs, Buda or Kyle.

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Reddog
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posted April 22, 2008 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reddog     Edit/Delete Message
Question for Miss Chris. How many more people have to die by the Baptist Academy for it to be a bad road?

I drive it everyday notrh to Dripping, it's not a good road. I drive about twice a week to Marcos; and in the last, say 6 years, have had to stop twice for fatalities. It leaves a lot to be desired.

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Reddog
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posted April 22, 2008 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reddog     Edit/Delete Message
As for promoting growth; roads have little to do with it. Look at Austin. No road improvements and developers built homes anyway. Can you say Circle C? Do you remember Brodie as a counry road?If you think large scale developers give a flying flip in a whirlwind about traffic, you are mistaken. It's obvious they don't.

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Miss Chris
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posted April 22, 2008 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Miss Chris     Edit/Delete Message
We don't have to make it easier for them either.

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Reddog
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posted April 22, 2008 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reddog     Edit/Delete Message
I'd suggest the best way to slow down growth would be toughening the MUD laws. As it stands now anyone with enough money can set up a MUD, thus opening the door for utilities, which are more important to developers than roads. No water or wastewater; no new houses.

Me, I'm just being selfish. Living in unincorporated Hays County I have no water or waste water service except that I provide myself. No fire or police protection. Hey I wnat some return on my tax bucks. They did at least finally pave the county road that gets near my home.

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starstruck
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posted April 22, 2008 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starstruck     Edit/Delete Message
No fire or police protection? I didn't think that was possible.

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Reddog
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posted April 22, 2008 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reddog     Edit/Delete Message
Volunteer Fire Dept, which actually responds pretty well; and the SO, which is a different matter all together.

All things are possable.

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Mr Chievous
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posted April 22, 2008 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr Chievous     Edit/Delete Message
RR12 a horrid road? You must be kidding. It’s a beautiful, winding, scenic road. While it’s not quite a California coast-hugging car commercial road, it’s a one of those little hill country features that many enjoy.

Surely you’re not necessarily blaming road casualties simply on the road. If statistics account for anything, these accidents are more likely a blame of alcohol or speed or both.

And considering the land rush that the creation of roads/tollroads is perpetuating in areas east of Austin, you have to believe large-scale road construction is a significant contribution in the conversion of rural areas to urban. It’s a pretty simple equation – build roads, follow with residential development, complete with business development. The first two parts are interchangeable, but the ultimate result is the same. And while the lack of road construction was a component of Austin’s attempt to limit growth, there are many other factors that allowed it to happen.

The most accurate idea that you have posed may be that you’re greedy. You live in unincorporated Hays county but want bigger roads, water/wastewater service and more police/fire protection. It’s sounds like you’re describing city living or at least suburbia. I’m not sure if your location chose you or you chose it, but I’m not sure it’s working out.

You should really appreciate the history and natural amenities that the area offers and realize that it’s a dying concept. If it goes, history and a way of life is gone for good.

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cgm
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posted April 22, 2008 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cgm     Edit/Delete Message
"You live in unincorporated Hays county but want bigger roads, water/wastewater service and more police/fire protection. It’s sounds like you’re describing city living or at least suburbia."

My question is - were you aware before moving into Hays County that these services would not be available?

If so, you're like many others who have a romantic fantasy about living in the Hill Country, only to then complain about what's not there.

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Reddog
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posted April 23, 2008 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reddog     Edit/Delete Message
Well the edits didn't post so here goes.

Mr C. No I'm not "simply" blaming road conditions; just as you can not "simply" dismiss them.

"Greedy" Please note that I admited I was being selfish; there's a huge difference. I have no desire to profit from my property; and in fact bought the adjoining land when it came on the market to remove it from development. That my friend is exactly the opposite of greed. I put my money where my mouth is.

As for my tenure in the Hill Country, it is measured not in years, but in decades.

Since moving back to Hays County I've logged hundreds of hours of volunteer work, attending many Commissioners Court meeting, spoke at the True Ranch meeting, voted and paid taxes. Taxes for which I recieve no return on investment; no kids in school, little fire and police, utilities or other services. That isn't greed, it's a FACT. If you live in unincorporated areas of the county, you are essentially forgotten by the system. Which is just peachy keen with me. I'm not complaining; I enjoy being on my own, self sufficient, self reliant.

My impact on the environment is minimal. My carbon footprint bordering on nonexistant.

As a favor, please do me the courtesy of not making assumptions about some one you do not know. Judge not, lest ye be judged I believe is the saying. Or perhaps don't worry about the mote in my eye.

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Reddog
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posted April 23, 2008 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reddog     Edit/Delete Message
Growth is always a hot button issue. Growing too fast, cancer; not growing at all, death. Neither option is viable.

One can only manage, or control, growth. You can buy the land yourself; that always works. You can support/assist groups like the Nature Conservancy or government in obtaining conservation easement. You can beat on the legislature & county government to change the subdivision and MUD laws.

But look up the road 30 miles and see what chanting No Roads, No Roads over and over gets. Nothing but awful traffic. Developers do not care if there are decent roads. Neither do home buyers, at least initially. What they care about are utilities. Period. End of discussion. No water, no houses. No sewage service (of some sort) no houses.

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Miss Chris
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posted April 23, 2008 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Miss Chris     Edit/Delete Message
I have to agree with Mr. C. - the accidents on RR12 and 32 have more to do with insane driving habits-talking on the cell phone while driving (which is equal to driving drunk), going too fast, etc. I love my commute to San Marcos. It's just long enough for me to get some thinking and planning in and it's quiet with hardly anyone else around. I also am lucky enough to see a caracara sometimes!

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Reddog
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posted April 23, 2008 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reddog     Edit/Delete Message
The illegal alien bird stealing jobs from our native buzzards.

But have you had the great pleasure of seeing a hawk migration? Several years back on 12 between Dripping and Wimberely I had to pull over; the fences and utility lines were shoulder to shoulder with hawks. If that doesn't bring a smile to yur face, I'm afraid you're dead.

But we will continue to disagree on RR 12.

But I've had mornings with more deer than cars on my commute.

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